|
Post by Hawise on Mar 2, 2007 8:16:14 GMT -5
Just quickly adding my thoughts about family-friendly. There have been many many times I passed an act whose sound was up so loud that hearing off-color was unavoidable, and I'm sure that caused problems for some families. Rather than eliminate off-color, mayhap we could return to the idea of having the stage over the bridge the "adult show" site. I remember years ago when Axel's Keelhauler show was back there late, so that it was easily accessible and visible but not hear-able by those not wanting to hear. Perhaps that could be converted back to a stage for more adult content.
|
|
stephanieann
Lord
Because I am the Queen, thats why!
Posts: 406
|
Post by stephanieann on Mar 2, 2007 8:29:59 GMT -5
I think that is a fine idea! There is nothing wrong with doing that, but on the other hand people who find the adult content offensive have a pamphlet that they pick up at the gate, they can read it and see what kind of shows are when, do not go around that area if you dont want to hear it.
|
|
|
Post by hack on Mar 2, 2007 9:04:34 GMT -5
We toyed with the idea of over the bridge and asked the entertainers and none wanted to go there because as they said thay will not make any money. If fact one of the entertainers actually said," The people who like my show don't have money" He was relying on people who had never seen him before to make his money. As far as labeling the shows there is nowhere on the site that is unavoidable. And the last thing I want to do is put fear into the patron. I can't. We are creating a fun experience the mere thought of having to avoid an area due to it's "offensive" content is completely unacceptable. My take is this if you want offensive adult humor go to a comedy club where children can't come in. My personal opinion on Low Brow humor is that it is low brow. It;s cheap easy and offensive. Innuendo takes thought and cleverness. If getting rid of the low brow humor for more intelligent humor will increase the money through the gates (which I have proven it does at three other festivals) why wouldn't we go that way? Our little faire is in a state that drastic action needs to happen or soon it won't be here. What has been done in the last five years dramatically damaged the faire as a whole and has proven it doesn't work. The reputation nationally and in the communities was at an all time low. we now have performers willing to return who wouldn't before because I am calling in favors. Six years ago our faire was profitable and most people think of it as the "glory days" Well six years ago it was a family show. In fact, words that people balked about me banning would never have been said on the site. I can think of one incident where a mud man (of shorter stature) said to a patron," Don't be a pussy" and the ripple that was created by that was huge. He had to apopogize to the cast the next day and yet they are the "glory days" People fear change. the rating system will be in place for the innuendo factor. I have spent a large part of the year immersing myself into the communities that have the highest percentages of the demographic we are chasing and the reputation in those areas is deplorable. But we are changing that and creating a show we all can be proud of and profitable so it will be here for years even decades to come.
|
|
|
Post by BlackKnight on Mar 2, 2007 9:45:31 GMT -5
I agree...as I said before on this thread, it doesn't take potty humor to be funny or to get a point across. Hack & Slash, To The Hilt, Johnny Phoenix, Washing Well Wenches are excellent examples of well written shows that don't use potty humor to be funny. It also takes true talent to be funny without resorting to potty humor. The use of potty humor only caters to the lowest common denominator anyways, IMHO.
|
|
|
Post by Hawise on Mar 2, 2007 9:56:49 GMT -5
Excellent points all. Personally, I intensely dislike that brand of humor - it's cheap, juvenile. (With apologies to Axel whom I'm so fond of). I would rather have a positive, uplifting, classy and fun fair without that type of content. If you want dirt, go to the comedy club and have all the beer you want!
I look at my favorite fairs outside of GLMF, and at Sterling or Michigan you just don't see the intensely adult humor. And if we want to get back to the glory days at GLMF, put some class back into the place, from management on down. And BOY is that happening, and thank you!
|
|
Poison Ivy
Lord
Hello, you tasty little morsel.
Posts: 440
|
Post by Poison Ivy on Mar 2, 2007 10:11:29 GMT -5
Axel doesn't do crude low brow----at least not that I've noticed. You must be seeing shows that I haven't seen.
|
|
|
Post by wyldfire on Mar 2, 2007 11:15:40 GMT -5
Everyone has, and is entitled to their opinion. People have different tolerance levels, and different perceptions of what is crude/low brow.
What bothers me here is that,
a. Why must we find it necessary to "finger point"? b. Why must we label people? (i'm talking about a few different comments I read....that I am NOT, going to go into, I see no point right now....but.......I found those comments just plain rude)
|
|
stephanieann
Lord
Because I am the Queen, thats why!
Posts: 406
|
Post by stephanieann on Mar 2, 2007 18:47:10 GMT -5
I agree with Posion Ivy, Axels show is in now way offensive and he always does an excellent job in warning ppl that there might be some naughty comments, but they are usually implied! I am very excited to see what Hack has in store for us this season, its going to be a wonderful experience and I cant wait to get to it! Like I always tell ppl who I try and talk into coming to the faire with me is you must have an open mind and love to talk to peaple and you will have a blast!!
|
|
Poison Ivy
Lord
Hello, you tasty little morsel.
Posts: 440
|
Post by Poison Ivy on Mar 3, 2007 8:47:53 GMT -5
I agree. Axel is a master of innuendo and double entendre. ( not sure of the spelling, but you know what I mean.)
|
|
|
Post by Hawise on Mar 3, 2007 15:05:39 GMT -5
And, see, this is also why typewritten messages are not a good way to communicate. I WAS NOT SAYING that Axel does cheap humor and am sorry anyone interpreted it that way! Just the opposite, which is why, in case you missed it, I said "of whom I am so fond." But I know full well his show's been mentioned by both sides of the fence as sometimes envelope pushing. THAT is what I was referring to. Okay, said my piece, not gonna go into it any more and inflame the crowds. Deep calming, loving breath.
ANYWAY, I'll reiterate, again in case anyone missed it, that I am thrilled with the direction in which Management (John, Larry, etc.) seem to be going. Positive, uplifting, what a concept!
And Sir Geoffrey, looks like we might need to redefine "TPTB" since that term is a tad skewed in a less-than-positive connotation from the past. Long Live TPTB!
|
|
|
Post by BlackKnight on Mar 3, 2007 17:09:31 GMT -5
Aye aye ma'am!
|
|
|
Post by Lady Catharine on Mar 3, 2007 17:21:26 GMT -5
hawise,
|
|
|
Post by SwordSchoolGroupie on Mar 5, 2007 15:55:40 GMT -5
Yes - I would consider Tortugas, and Axel to be "adult" oriented. I would never take my children to see that sort of thing. It is nice to have shows that are G rated that you know any kid could go to (like the Hawk show or Fool Hardy) and anything back in the fairy kingdom. It is unfortunate that the fairy kingdom's stage was allowed to degenerate to what it is.
|
|
|
Post by BlackKnight on Mar 5, 2007 20:26:08 GMT -5
I agree...if Larry wants to cater to a more family atmosphere, the Fairy Forest should be totally upgraded. Having the play structures behind the Drift Inn stage makes it all the more difficult for someone like Axel to do his show, so they should be moved over to the Fairy Forest. Also, the human-powered rides should be moved there as well. This way it is setup alot like the amusement parks, where the kid's section is primarily in one spot.
|
|
|
Post by Sir Trevor on Mar 5, 2007 22:13:23 GMT -5
I have to disagree. I think the reason things are layed out the way they are is so that families have areas for the small ones to play, while the adults still have something to do. The kids can play behind the drift inn stage while the parents can listen to the show. The kids can ride the rides while the parents can see what is going on at the stumble inn stage. Etc. Also, the play areas are very near the food areas. Makes them very convenient.
As to
Have you been in there lately? The past couple years have seen drastic and massive improvements to the area. Trust me. I have spent enough hours back there to know. Now, it would be nice if there were some kind of kid centered program on the stage out front. But I don't know what you could get to make that work. Our first couple years at faire, there were shows at that stage, but they never really attracted much of an audience.
|
|