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Post by Kayenne on Jan 14, 2008 21:59:59 GMT -5
Like I mentioned in another thread, I can always catch up on my reading!
In my opinion, responsibility lies with both parties. And TV will suffer continued decline, and all because of money.
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Post by Sir Trevor on Jan 14, 2008 22:34:08 GMT -5
I find it hard to lay too much blame on the writers. Sure, some of the more well known one are well compensated and live well. But a vast majority of them actually end up making around minimum wage when all is said an done. The residual payments make a huge difference for them. I can't blame them for trying to get compensation for their work that the studios use to make money for themselves.
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Post by Hephzibah on Jan 15, 2008 0:01:15 GMT -5
I got to agree with you Trevor. Plus remember this state is one of the highest cost of living states.
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Post by bunbun / Hank on Jan 15, 2008 1:22:30 GMT -5
Jasmine...I thought you did get BBC. Guess not. If all you are able to watch is ABC, CBS, NBC, FOX, and CW via antenna, wow! Your viewing chooses are limited. I looked thru the TV guide and find at the moment I watch almost nothing on those channels.
Mon. FOX; Sarah Conner Chronicles. Tue. Nothing. Wed. Nothing. Thur. CW; Smallville, Supernatural. Fri. CBS; Moonlight. Sat. Nothing Sun. Nothing.
So, out of 7 days I watch 4 shows on the networks, and all the rest is cable channels.
I think I gave up on the networks years ago because like you stated, just way too many sporting events preempting something I wanted to see. Or there would be a program I liked which got canceled after 3 shows because apparently I was the only person watching it. Or my favorite; right in the middle of the exciting part....We interrupt this program to bring you this IMPORTANT news bulletin! A possum was killed moments ago while trying to cross the road in Podunk Ark. We now take you to our on the scene reporter Billie Bob in Podunk. WHO GIVES A RATS ASS!!! And lets not forget political debates! YAWN! Ya know how to tell when a politician is lying? His lips move.
So I say to you my dear; get a stack of good books, cuz with this strike, you'll be needing them! or! Join the 21st century and get a dish. HANK.
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Post by tomnaboley on Jan 15, 2008 8:48:54 GMT -5
Face it folks. The strike is going to last quite a while longer. (don't forget this strike also affects the big screen movies also). So, I don't see any real negotiations taking place until at least late February. My daughter is in big screen movies. She doesn't work with television shows. That is another department of Technicolor. The strike has already hit the big screen. Trevor, you are spot on about the strike. Actors, producers, directors and others all get residuals from re-plays and internet. The writers really should get some also because without a writer there is no show. Hank, I watched the Sarah Connor Chronicles last night. Not too bad. The girl "protector" looks very familiar and the "John" character looks a little familiar. I am not too sure if I care for the actress that plays Sarah. I could just be used to Linda Hamilton playing Sarah.
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Post by bunbun / Hank on Jan 15, 2008 12:09:17 GMT -5
KAT, the reason the "protector" may look familiar to you is because she was the doctors semi-comatose sister on the TV show Firefly and the movie Serenity. John; I don't know. There was a write up in todays Plain Dealer about the writers strike, and a lot of "insiders" feel if this is not settled soon they are just cutting their own throats. TV is bringing back a lot of reality and game shows so by the time it is settled there will no longer be programs to write for.
I for one can see that happening. Game/reality shows are easy and cheap to produce and we will be inundated with them for years before the pendulum swings back the other way.
I'm surprised the industry hasn't hired scabs! The basic plots have been around since ancient Greece. Hell, most of what you are watching on TV is just Shakespeare with different character names.
I have been watching a lot of reruns of CSI, CSI Miami, CSI New York, Law & Order SVU. cuz ...well, there ain't much else on these days, and A&E, and Spike, and USA have um on all day. When you see them back to back like that you realize all the CSI's are the SAME show. The only difference is the location and the character names. So just reuse the scripts you've already got. Hell, ya been doing it for the last 60 years of Television anyway, why stop now? HANK.
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Post by bunbun / Hank on Jan 15, 2008 12:23:53 GMT -5
Is anyone beside me old enough to remember a TV show from the 1960's called " The Fugitive?" If so you will know what I am talking about here.
Let us compare The Fugitive, which played 40 years ago to the Sarah Conner Chronicles which just started two day ago and you will see they are pretty much the "same show."
You have your hero: Richard Kimble/Sarah Conner who is constantly on the run from his/her pursuer, the detective/terminator while searching for someone, the one armed man/person who builds skynet. Throw in a son who is hell bent on getting himself killed because he can't follow simple instructions like "stay inside out of sight" for a slightly different twist, and add some better SFX, and there ya have it. Same story 40 years later. HANK.
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Post by Dillasandra on Jan 15, 2008 15:53:39 GMT -5
I SOOOO love my library card.............................
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Post by Sir Trevor on Jan 15, 2008 19:40:14 GMT -5
Actually Hank. If the writers strike isn't settle by this summer, it is almost a sure thng that the SAG will also go on strike when their contract runs out this summer. If that happens, there goes the reality and game shows also. As their hosts and such , I believe, are part of that union. Also, where the big hit to the studios will be, is when they start running out of movies to release. Right now there are still a bunch in post production. But there isn't much coming down the line to fill their place.
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Post by bunbun / Hank on Jan 16, 2008 6:26:46 GMT -5
TRrevor...If as you said the strike continues into this Summer they might as well hang it up and get jobs flipping burgers. Strikes only work in the short term. If you are out on the picket line for months (or even years) even if the "company" eventually meets your demands by then you have lost so much you will never make it up. I remember a company in Cleveland that went out on strike and the workers were out on the picket line for a couple of years. The end result was the company closed up and now everyone was out of work.
I find it hard to believe they just don't hire non-union people. Hell, any job/profession, be it plumber, carpenter, auto mechanics, you name it; you always have more people doing the job who are non-union than you do union. The two fields I was in; Auto Mechanic, and Truck Driver were all non-union. The BIG companies like Roadway are union, but very few of the small places are. (KAT, is Mike union where he works?) Same with mechanics. The car dealerships are union for the most part, but "Joe's Garage" down the street isn't.
So if this strike continues for months, then SAG go out, well....you can kiss the movie/TV industry good-bye. It will be interesting to watch all these "Stars" like Tom Hanks, Will Smith, Halle Berry, etc.etc. working in the real world like the rest of us. I can see it now; you will be talking to your buddy at work, saying; "Guess what Charlie? Last night the wife and I went out to dinner at that new restaurant and guess who took our order? Tom Cruise! Can you believe that?
Looks like we will be watching a lot of foreign movies pretty soon! HANK.
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Post by Dillasandra on Jan 16, 2008 10:45:31 GMT -5
Awww, they'll all settle sometime! There's just WAAAAY too much money in the entertainment industry NOT to! Meanwhile, seems the strike DOES have a couple of good points. I was a huge fan of the 'Dexter' books long before they were adapted for t.v., and it just killed me not to get to watch the program ( we can't afford cable! ). Well, now, because the writer's strike has caused a shortage of shows, the network affiliated with the cable channel that broadcasts 'Dexter' has decided to broadcast it on 'regular' t. v. !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! YAY!!!!!! Sooo, a little ray of sunshine, for me, anyway!
Hank, you aren't the only one who remembers 'The Fugitive'. That was actully based on the old Sam Sheppard murder case, remember? Though the theme has been done in literature long before that, hell, long before t.v.! Victor Hugo's 'Les Miserabe' comes to mind......
And do YOU remember a couple of obscure old sci fi shows that followed the general theme...'Lucan', and 'Starman' ( that last from the wonderful movie by the same name )? Far from the only shows that used it, but those were first to mind when Ivy and I were discussing it last night.
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Post by bunbun / Hank on Jan 16, 2008 11:39:38 GMT -5
Dill...yeah, I remember Starman, good movie/TV show. But Lucan? You sure about that name? Cuz I've never heard of that one. But yeah, the plot for Fugitive/SCC probably goes back to some play in ancient Greece 3000 years ago.
KAT...Thomas Dekker, the actor who plays John Conner played Zach on the TV show Heroes, now, I watched Heroes all the time but I don't remember any Zach. What was his power? Maybe that will help me remember him. He's not the cheer leaders boyfriend who could fly, is he? Sarah Conner played Queen Gorgo in the movie 300. I never saw that movie so I don't really recognize her. As you might guess the TV Guide came today, thats how I know all this stuff, they did a write up on the show. HANK.
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Post by Dillasandra on Jan 16, 2008 13:06:01 GMT -5
Positive about 'Lucan'. About a boy raised by wolves, then found and 'tamed' by a scientist. Can't recall for the life of me what powers he had, or why/who was chasing him, but sure of the show. Mainly because I was late teens at the time, and my sister and I had a HUGE crush on the kid who played Lucan! ;D ;D ;D
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Post by tomnaboley on Jan 16, 2008 14:08:55 GMT -5
Positive about 'Lucan'. About a boy raised by wolves, then found and 'tamed' by a scientist. Can't recall for the life of me what powers he had, or why/who was chasing him, but sure of the show. Mainly because I was late teens at the time, and my sister and I had a HUGE crush on the kid who played Lucan! ;D ;D ;D I found this for you::::: Lucan 1977 (T.V.) Starring Ned Beaty, Stockard Chaning and Kevin Brophy as Lucan. A 20-year old who spent the first 10 years of his life running wild in the forest after being raised by predatory animals now strikes out on his own in search of his identity. Raised by wolves, a young boy is re-introduced into the human world. "Lucan," so named because his parents continually tell him "you can, you can!," attempts to readjust to human life with the help of numerous pseudo-intellectuals and social workers. It turns out the only "special effects" on the show were the applying of his brown contact lenses.
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Post by tomnaboley on Jan 16, 2008 14:09:53 GMT -5
I did see 300 and now I know where I know her from, Thank you. Never watched Heroes or the other show.
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