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Post by BeerBlessings on Aug 3, 2009 11:45:18 GMT -5
I have heard a number of things on these issues.. VERY LITTLE has been solidly confirmed by primary sources, and we all know how the "Telephone Game" goes. This thread is for all information, claims, rumors, etc to be confirmed, denied, or clarified.
PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE!!!! ... We want PRIMARY SOURCES to confirm these points!! Meaning, if you do not have direct, first-hand knowledge, do not say "Yes! That's what happened!" If it deals with a citation being issued, if you were not present for said citation, do not reply. Many of us have heard things, and the story may have changed several people down the line.
(If you are a primary source, yet cannot give said information for whatever reason, (If it pertains to a pending legal issue for instance) please say "This point cannot be discussed at present.")
And PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE.. Hold off discussion on the points. We do not want a bunch of "THAT'S JUST WRONG!" posts in response. I highly doubt that many of us will disagree, so the "Me too!" posts just make it more convoluted. This thread is for verification, clarification, or denial of points.
If you want to hold debate of these points, or express your feelings on them, please start a new thread, lest this thread get overwhelmed in debate, and not solid information.
You MAY post additional points to be confirmed or denied. Just make sure you add the next number in the series. (Or if it's an off-shoot of an already existing point that isn't straightforward, use B, C, D, etc..)
Trevor/Brittany, please feel free to delete any posts that diverge from the previous requests.
Also, please understand that some of this information may not be able to be confirmed nor denied for a while, especially as the primary sources may not be on these boards.
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Post by BeerBlessings on Aug 3, 2009 11:53:12 GMT -5
1) Transient vendor's license is required for all non-resident vendors of the township, which means most everyone except for Chris (I think that's her name at least.. Highlandcoo on the boards) from the soap booth, as she is a resident. Yet she has one anyway... 2) (Really needs confirmed) The transient vendors license would not be needed on private property. (Which GLMF is) 3) (Really needs confirmed) The vendors at GLMF fall under an "umbrella" license from the Faire itself.. 3B) (REALLY needs confirmed) If the vendors have a contract with GLMF, dependent on the wording, GLMF may be required to have the license for them.. This is how the vendors would fall under GLMF's "umbrella" (This cannot be confirmed nor denied by anyone without a vendor's contract, either vendor or GLMF. And we also do not know if all the contracts are different or not, so this may vary from vendor to vendor.) 4) (Really needs confirmed) If this contradicts state law/regulations, it would be thrown out. Yet no one has challenged it in order for that to happen... 5) The policemen involved were just issuing citations, and not even asking to see a license. 6) Citations were being given to whomever was in the booth, regardless of if they worked the booth or not.. 6B) Emma (Barret's wife) was cited while she watched the dogs at the soap booth while the person running the booth went to the privy. This meant that a patron received a citation. (We all seem to take this for truth, but is still subject to verification/clarification. So please, someone with direct knowledge verify.) 7) A 13 year old girl working one of the games was cited. (Again we take this for truth.. We do not want to know who the girl is, just if it happened and a minor was cited.) 8A) Sobriety checkpoint on 534, immediately south of Hartsgrove circle (Rt 534 and Rt 6). Confirmed. (It ended roughly 9PM, as it was gone ~9:15 when Kate and I went by.) 8B) Sobriety checkpoint on 534 at 307, just south of I-90. Not yet confirmed. 8C) Cops were stopping people as they walked out of Front Gate. Denied.  ) Cops were randomly stopping vehicles as they left site. Denied. |
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Post by bunbun / Hank on Aug 3, 2009 12:10:03 GMT -5
THE SOBRIETY CHECKPOINTS I DO NOT BELIEVE HAVE ANYTHING TO DO WITH WHAT IS GOING ON AT FAIRE, THEY HAVE BEEN DOING THIS THROUGH OUT THE COUNTY STARTING AT THE WEST SIDE OF THE COUNTY AND WORKING TO THE EAST SIDE.JUST BAD TIMING. THIS IS WHAT I WAS TOLD. SO THIS DOES NEED VERIFICATION.
BUNNIE
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Post by BeerBlessings on Aug 3, 2009 12:21:25 GMT -5
THE SOBRIETY CHECKPOINTS I DO NOT BELIEVE HAVE ANYTHING TO DO WITH WHAT IS GOING ON AT FAIR, THEY HAVE BEEN DOING THIS THROUGH OUT THE COUNTY STARTING AT THE WEST SIDE OF THE COUNTY AND WORKING TO THE EAST SIDE.JUST BAD TIMING. BUNNIE We can hope it is just bad timing.. If it is just one checkpoint that happens to be on one main route from Faire, that may very well be true. Which is why I hope to have the checkpoint at 307 confirmed. Did anyone go through one on their way from Faire? Does anyone have further information on when/where the other checkpoints have been? Is there a way to find out previous ones to verify either way? I really am hoping for bad luck on timing. |
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Post by BeerBlessings on Aug 3, 2009 12:24:28 GMT -5
9) State grant money was used to pay to give these citations.
10) Is there any way to determine if any state or township money, and if so how much, was spent on the various failed lawsuits against Larry and GLMF? (Not 9B because these are different instances, and most likely different funding sources)
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Post by highlandcoo on Aug 3, 2009 13:04:38 GMT -5
I will try to clarify a couple of points that pertain to the soap booth. Bear with me as I try to do thid one by one and in order - 1) Transient vendor's license is required for all non-resident vendors of the township, which means most everyone except for Chris (I think that's her name at least.. Highlandcoo on the boards) from the soap booth, as she is a resident. Yet she has one anyway... Answer: I (chris - you are correct) am a township resident although I am very ashamed to be one at the moment! I do also have a state transient vendor's license and it IS now & WAS available in my booth since the day Faire opened this year. I do not believe I am required to have a seperate township registration, BUT I have not personally been cited. 2) (Really needs confirmed) The transient vendors license would not be needed on private property. (Which GLMF is) Answer: codes.ohio.gov/orc/505.94 in part states This division does not authorize a board of township trustees to apply a resolution it adopts under this division to any person invited by an owner or tenant to visit the owner’s or tenant’s premises to sell, offer for sale, or solicit orders for future delivery of goods. 5) The policemen involved were just issuing citations, and not even asking to see a license. and 6) Citations were being given to whomever was in the booth, regardless of if they worked the booth or not.. Answer: A citation WAS issued in my booth at 10:35am on 8/1/09 while I was NOT present. The deputy did not ask at any time to see a vendor's license, did not ask if the person he was speaking to worked there and NO SALES were conducted during my short absence. 6B) Emma (Barret's wife) was cited while she watched the dogs at the soap booth while the person running the booth went to the privy. This meant that a patron received a citation. (We all seem to take this for truth, but is still subject to verification/clarification. So please, someone with direct knowledge verify.) Answer: This is true, Except Russ & I were actually up having a sitting with the photographer as it was early in the day and my booth is generally quiet then - so I felt comfortable leaving Emma to babysit the hounds and let people know I'd be back soon. So YES - my dogsitter and friend that was doing me a favor did receive the citation. Additionally - later in the day it is true that I approached the officers on the grounds in an attempt to have them revise the citation to reflect my name instead of Emma's and they informed me that was not possible. 8B) Sobriety checkpoint on 534 at 307, just south of I-90. Not yet confirmed. Answer: One of my EMTs heading home called us about 8:30ish to say there was no checkpoint north on 534 between the faire and route 90 at that time. |
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Post by highlandcoo on Aug 3, 2009 13:14:34 GMT -5
Oops missed one!
10) Is there any way to determine if any state or township money, and if so how much, was spent on the various failed lawsuits against Larry and GLMF? (Not 9B because these are different instances, and most likely different funding sources)
Answer : YES YES YES
The township financial information can be requested from Sherry Wilber (township financial officer) and IS public information. I would suggest anyone requesting financial information do so in writing although it is not required and ask specifically how much money has been spent on litigation costs of any type, who it was paid to if dispursed to any individual, and what fund the costs were paid from. In accordance with the State of Ohio Sunshine Law, this information MUST be given to anyone that requests it - YOU NEED NOT BE A RESIDENT!!!!!
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Post by Rahne on Aug 3, 2009 13:16:52 GMT -5
Thank you, Facts are what I have been trying to find. We left the faire around 7:30 and did not run into a check point on 534 heading for 90 either, so I don't believe that there was one.
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Post by Olive on Aug 3, 2009 14:53:32 GMT -5
Can Emma or highlandcoo tell me exactly WHAT the citation was FOR? What offense?
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Post by Sir Trevor on Aug 3, 2009 17:18:27 GMT -5
8A) Sobriety checkpoint on 534, immediately south of Hartsgrove circle (Rt 534 and Rt 6). Confirmed. (It ended roughly 9PM, as it was gone ~9:15 when Kate and I went by.) 8B) Sobriety checkpoint on 534 at 307, just south of I-90. Not yet confirmed. We ran into no checkpoints between faire and I-90 on the way home at around 8 PM. The confirmed checkpoint was more than likely one of the OVI checkpoints that have been going on in Ashtabula County for at least the last six months. They are set up at random locations on random days all over the county and are a cooperative effort between several jurisdictions. Including Hghway Partrol, Sheriffs department, and local law enforcement. They stop every vehicle and ask for license, registration and insurance. If all seems in order they pass the vehicle through. If they suspect any substance use, the vehicle is pulled to the side and a sobriety test or breathalizer is conducted. I can offer no actual links at this time. But I have read several news articles in the Star Beacon about the results of these checkpoints. I am sure this was just a coincidence as these things take quite a bit of time to plan between the different departments. |
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Post by highlandcoo on Aug 3, 2009 17:28:01 GMT -5
Can Emma or highlandcoo tell me exactly WHAT the citation was FOR? What offense? it is a violation of 5055.94 and states "failure to obtain vendor's license" This is preprinted on the summons along with the address for the faire |
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Post by Sir Trevor on Aug 3, 2009 17:31:17 GMT -5
Who is it that issued the summons?
Would be interesting to learn what legal branch is wasting taxpayer money. Espcially the police officers that should be out on the road doing real police work.
I mean, the county sheriffs department is already thin. With the budget mess we have in Ashtabula County they have had funding cuts, and have had to furlough employees certain days each pay period just to keep expenses down.
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Post by SwordSchoolGroupie on Aug 3, 2009 17:59:24 GMT -5
Confimed: Sobriety Checkpoint - 534 south of hartsgrove circle (534 & US Rt 6) at 5pm on Sunday on my way home from faire. The sheriff deputy asked to see my license. there was a state Highway patrol there also. He looked at it and waved me through.
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Post by Lady Catharine on Aug 3, 2009 18:12:29 GMT -5
When I left Faire after 7pm, I noticed nothing on 534N or the entrance to 90W.
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Post by BeerBlessings on Aug 3, 2009 18:13:00 GMT -5
Just talked to Davine.. She was not stopped, but saw the sobriety check-point north of Faire. It was on 534, in Cork, at the school parking lot.
Also, hearing more information does make the sobriety check-points sound like bad luck for timing.. *Whew*
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) Cops were randomly stopping vehicles as they left site. Denied. 
