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Post by Sir Trevor on Jan 10, 2005 18:27:05 GMT -5
Thought I would start a thread for comments that will probably be deleted from the official board.
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Post by Hephzibah on Jan 10, 2005 23:04:48 GMT -5
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Post by Patty Chophouse on Jan 11, 2005 2:03:05 GMT -5
*deeply, deeply depressed* Utter insanity... I mean, faire was going a little downhill last seaon, but I figured it'd pick up....
[edited for inaccuracy, depression, and speaking up too quick]
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Post by Devils Advocate on Jan 14, 2005 21:23:42 GMT -5
Ever think that maybe being a pretty expensive restaurant, that the Tavern is paying for it's own renovation??? And ever consider the fact that it has it's own totally separate management from Faire...And that people are allowed to own more than one thing at a time? Take MRf for example it's owned in conjunction with 4 other major faires............
So why do we treat GLMF like it's the only thing in the world and pretend like nothing else exists. Because, well, you may want to sit down for this, but It's a amusement park, like disney land or geaga lake. There's more to life than faire. We all sit around and complain about all this stuff that we assume isn't happening. What do we expect from Larry and Brook and the rest of the staff. Are they supposed to post a message every time they have a thought or talk to an entertainer or jury in a new crafter? If they did that then they would have no time to do any of the things that they are accussed of not doing. I think we are all in the Winter-depression and need to chill out. Half of the things we are so enraged about are things that will get done when and if "The Powers" feel it is best suited. SO let's save ourselves some Prozac and wait.
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DunedainRanger
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Post by DunedainRanger on Jan 14, 2005 23:26:38 GMT -5
No, I truly don't think that's it, Advocate. I appreciate your view of it, but after all that's been done and said, and all the other Faires I've visited, it seems there is something more here than meets the eye. The tavern is a moot subject I think.
One of my friends, who is an independant stage act on the Faire circuit and doesn't do (and won't do) GLMF, said yesterday that Pittsburgh, a younger, smaller Faire, has already began contracting their acts for the coming year, and they start a month and a half after GLMF, so planning and contracting ARE something most Faires do at this time of year.
And as far as posting every decision - this was obviously something someone felt was important enough to make statements.
I'm not judging anyone here, but it pisses me off that everyone is so quick to take sides on what is very clearly a personal issue. I don't know what happened, as I am not really friends with either party, but it's apparent that Richard took personal offense at something that happened between him and Brook, and then Brook reacted to it, and not very wisely if you ask me.
Yeah, that's right. This is so obviously a personal fight between two very bull headed individuals, that everyone suddenly jumping up to takes sides makes it a sit-com.
What about the people whose names have been so lightly tossed about? Does anyone think Owain Phyfe is a bartering chip? Maybe that's why he decided to reduce his time at GLMF to only three weekends, so he doesn't have to deal with this kind of bullshit. All he wants to do is sing and play and have fun, and here he is, a pawn in this epic stupid battle between the actor and director.
Why don't you just come out and say what's really on your minds, instead of trying to use rhetoric and grandstanding to achieve some kind of social pecking order?
For Joseph's sake, you guys are making fools out of yourselves drawing lines in the sand, and all of you who are sticking up for one or the other are just a bunch of hangers on who want to be on the side of the righteous.
I know that sounds mean, but this is stupid.
Richard, do you want to make music? Then just do it and leave the administration to someone else who knows how to do it.
Brook do you want to administrate? Then maybe you should leave the creative and artisitc shit to someone else who cares about the 'product' instead of your image.
If that's not the case for either of you, then why don't you sit down and try and work this out so we can have a better Faire for it? Keep your personal feelings where they ought to be - behind the scenes.
Richard shouldn't have done it, Brook shouldn't have responded to it. It should have all been done on the phone or in person.
The two of you ought to grow up and stop being children on the playground. I've heard the two of you sing before - together. I've seen the two of you act on stage before - together. What happened to what made the two of you work so well together, I don't care, and I don't want to know. Work it out.
But I want to say this last thing - Richard, if you're throw a temper tantrum because of a personal insult, then maybe you should learn to deal with adversity better. Brook, if you want to drive people away because they do something you don't like, then think about stepping down from a director's role.
The two of have behaved like you're in a high school drama club, where the male lead is always the female lead's boyfriend.
My God. Stop posturing and just get to work making a great Faire, and stop this stupid crap that can only hurt what all of us want so much to be magical.
I hope I've made my point, and I'm sorry if it sounded harsh. Anyways, let's just resolve this and make a good Faire, alright?
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Post by Capt. Morgan on Jan 15, 2005 7:55:53 GMT -5
Ever think that maybe being a pretty expensive restaurant, that the Tavern is paying for it's own renovation??? And ever consider the fact that it has it's own totally separate management from Faire...And that people are allowed to own more than one thing at a time? Take MRf for example it's owned in conjunction with 4 other major faires............ So why do we treat GLMF like it's the only thing in the world and pretend like nothing else exists. Because, well, you may want to sit down for this, but It's a amusement park, like disney land or geaga lake. There's more to life than faire. We all sit around and complain about all this stuff that we assume isn't happening. What do we expect from Larry and Brook and the rest of the staff. Are they supposed to post a message every time they have a thought or talk to an entertainer or jury in a new crafter? If they did that then they would have no time to do any of the things that they are accussed of not doing. I think we are all in the Winter-depression and need to chill out. Half of the things we are so enraged about are things that will get done when and if "The Powers" feel it is best suited. SO let's save ourselves some Prozac and wait. In light of recent world events and disasters, what a bunch of shallow, self-centered whiners we would be if all this was about what acts are or aren’t coming back to the Faire?! Obviously, there is more to this than meets the eye and tho’ DunedainRanger does have some valid points expressed in clear to understand language…(mighty feisty for a 91 year old Ranger, there m’Lad!) I think what much of this boils down to is how people treat each other…period . It has to do with friendships, forged from common love of acting and Faire and how ideas, goals and beliefs can be lost or forgotten, or change. It has to do with the concept that “Perception is Reality” for many people so be mindful of what you show and how it is perceived by others, whether it is true or not. It has to do with people treating others as they would want to be treated, of help given to those in time of need, of acknowledging friendship extended and not forgetting that “There by the Grace of God…”. It has to do with the vision of the Faire and the different angles it is seen by everyone, whether owner, actor or patron. It has to do with common courtesy and the understanding that a few words of acknowledgment spoken early can dissuade hundreds of words of excuses later on. It is about the love of something, the blood, sweat and tears poured out by many over years and years, and the fear when it is perceived lost or jaded or failing. This isn’t about right vs. wrong, his side vs. my side, because in the end we are all on the same side…the question is…for what purpose? And that is a question each one of us will have a different answer for.
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Post by SwordSchoolGroupie on Jan 15, 2005 8:57:37 GMT -5
I don't see anything wrong with what Richard said as long as it was factual.
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Post by Panda on Jan 15, 2005 21:28:32 GMT -5
Muirgen!! Very well said.
We all have one common love. One common passion, regardless of our roles. And being on staff, i'm put in a very odd place because i am very dear freinds with ALL the parties involved. I have faith that these said parties will work things out. Such anger can only be born out of what was once great love. I'm a firm believer that everything broke is fixable, that's the wondrous thing about the human spirit.
As far as all the confusion about wheather we have contracts out or whether we are even thinking of faire...well, we've been dealing with contracts since the tuesday after faire closed last summer. Have we been thinking about faire...HECK YES!! I have already started projects in my living room to make more time this summer to do more things to the site. I have a filing cabinet full of projects to be done.
If you all love the faire as much as you let on, and i don't doubt for a minute that you do, Please have faith that we know what we are doing and we are doing our jobs. Because even if it looks like we aren't, we don't go one day without thinking about what we can do to make it a better place.
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