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Post by Sir Trevor on Jul 5, 2005 19:51:50 GMT -5
I know for a fact that it was the "character" he didn't care for. And, agreed, he couldv'e worded his distaste better. All I say is, what happened to everyone's opinion is valuable? And I thought this site avoided personal attacks. 2 wrongs don't make a right... Everyones opinion is valuable. I am sorry he felt the need to remove his posts. But that is a personal decission on his part. I understood what he was trying to say. As to personal attacks, I haven't seen any yet. I have seen differences of opinion, which is to be expected when there is more than one person involved with anything.
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Post by Illyanna Adamczyk on Jul 5, 2005 19:58:31 GMT -5
You are right (back to Penfold's response). But did you know that a certain "old" cast member reamed him out to his face last weekend? Sigh, I'm starting to think that Nazi Germany is alive and well...maybe I'll just have to be his secretary, although, I'm the first to admit that I can be harsh! Well, it happened, let's move on...we learn from mistakes.
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Post by Illyanna Adamczyk on Jul 5, 2005 20:03:30 GMT -5
"As to personal attacks, I haven't seen any yet."
The key word here is "personal" aka "subjective." There was some pretty nasty stuff flung at Joe. I happen to like the guy. I'll tell you what, you always know where you stand with him! Anyways, that's my last bit. This dead horse is starting to smell funny.....
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Post by Sir Trevor on Jul 5, 2005 20:03:43 GMT -5
You are right (back to Penfold's response). But did you know that a certain "old" cast member reamed (hee, hee! no pun intended!) him out to his face last weekend? No I didn't Will have to ask him about it. Best line in the entire thread
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Post by yodaturk on Jul 5, 2005 20:12:16 GMT -5
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Post by Black Knight on Jul 5, 2005 20:57:01 GMT -5
I am sorry to have erased all my posts. Perhaps I went overboard, overreacted...I was pissed...I didn't care. I didn't want more people to see what I have posted and further fan the flames. I have a big mouth on the keyboard as you have all noticed because I have time to think about what I want to say. Even then it comes out wrong sometimes as Brian has mentioned. In person, I am usually quiet and not as quick to comment. Just how my pea-brain works.
To comment on Jen's statement about my choice of word. I thought I was using a politically correct word (Queer Eye for the Straight Guy ring a bell?). So...don't get mad at me folks...blame the media making the word popular. Anyways...I am sure the pirate guy (don't remember his name) has heard about this crap, so I will apologize to him.
Bah....anyways...I hope we can have a group hug on Saturday, grab some ale, sing Kumbaya....so I can at least try to enjoy myself this year and help heal the wounds I inadvertently caused.
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Post by Sir Trevor on Jul 5, 2005 21:21:32 GMT -5
You have nothing to heal with me Joe. I will gladly raise a glass with you any time.
As for the rest, I am sure things will sort themselves out with time.
As it was so eloquently said already. What is done, is done. Hopefully we can all move on. Put this behind us. And enjoy the rest of faire. Lord knows it is too short a run as it is. We only have 10 days left, and we need to make the most of them.
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Post by Captain John Stout on Jul 6, 2005 0:34:19 GMT -5
I doubt there is anything I can add that will make anything better.
I started this. Me.
Everyday I live with the knowledge that I could have hit delete instead of post on that day in February, and, although maybe things may not have changed for those few of us who were ostracized, the public debacle that has occurred and caused such injuries to people would never have happened.
My temper is a terrible thing. In 35 years I have learned pretty much no control over it. Thus that fateful day when this war began.
Some say war is too strong a word.
Is it?
I don't know anymore.
I live daily with the torment knowing that this is entirely due to me, and is all of it my fault.
My friends are hurt. I have lost friends.
Heal? No. Some hurts will never heal Trevor. The worst crime is that we let it happen. We forget. We ignore.
The Great Lakes Medieval Faire will never be my home again. I am a foreigner now, this year I have my one weekend as a guest artist.
These words aren't meant to attack, or criticize, or justify, or anything. I have been hurt inside so badly that there is no more that can be done. No amount of apology or recompense will ever undo the terrible things that have been said or thought or written.
And this isn't just anyone person. I have been hurt by multiple persons, some of them probably not even knowing they hurt me, thinking they were just "speaking their mind".
No. There have been wounds so deep and so painful that there is no coming back from them.
Joe I hope you continue to find enjoyment in the Faire. Brian I hope you always remain that stalwart in every aspect of your life. Jen, you deserve better then you got. Sean - there are no words I can use to say I'm sorry for putting you in the position I did when I opened my mouth. Trevor, you've had to be the moderator in this, something I wouldn't have wished on anyone. To all of you whose lives were forever altered by my momentary lapse of control, there is nothing I can say. Except this:
Please let it end.
I'm tired of the struggle and the storm.
Just let it end so I can rest. If my path brings me again to Great Lakes one day, then let fate dictate that course.
But for now, please, just let it end.
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Post by Sir Trevor on Jul 6, 2005 9:16:47 GMT -5
I started this. Me. Everyday I live with the knowledge that I could have hit delete instead of post on that day in February, Do not lay all the blame on your own shoulders. True, your words did spark a storm. But, keep in mind, word would have gotten out anyway. It always does. The time for finger pointing is done. Let us put aside what 'might have been' or 'should have been' and enjoy what we have. Let us enjoy each others company. Take what joy we can from the faire, and make the most of the 10 days remaining. We will have an entire off season soon to reflect and remark upon.
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Post by Lady Catharine on Jul 6, 2005 13:37:36 GMT -5
here here.. Thank Thee! Now..enough and enjoy the season!!! That's an order..
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Post by captainflower on Jul 6, 2005 15:35:57 GMT -5
Hi Everyone, This is the "elightened"/queer/homosexual pirate, Captain Esteban Flores. I guess not everyone understands the fact that I as Esteban Flores is just giving my personal self an excuse to hit on hot guys in kilts.
JUST KIDDING.
But I do want to let my name be known and let you all know that criticism is a good thing. Hate is bad. Growing up in a Christian Home has taught me one thing. It's not the color of your skin or the sexual preference that defines the person, it's their heart.
Hate, however, free in this country, is also wrong. This goes beyond hate of a character choice or hate of the faire. This is personal relationships. And when someone hates me as a character it hurts, but I can move on, I can grow as a professional. But when you use wordage and hate me as a person, you need to reexamine your life. Because these people, and not pointing to one particular person, these people who hate for their godgiven right to hate have to answer to god when they die.
Well folks, I hope that I don't piss off many people on here because I only send love to you all. No matter who said what about who, when I approach you on the street, I will send love your way because that's all I know how to give.
Thanks, Jimmy Strunk
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Post by Illyanna Adamczyk on Jul 6, 2005 16:12:52 GMT -5
Ooo-kay, Uncle Richard...get off the cross, we need the wood. You may have let the cat out of the bag a little early, but don't forget, it takes at least 2 to tango!
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Post by Black Knight on Jul 6, 2005 18:12:32 GMT -5
Hi Everyone, This is the "elightened"/queer/homosexual pirate, Captain Esteban Flores. I guess not everyone understands the fact that I as Esteban Flores is just giving my personal self an excuse to hit on hot guys in kilts. JUST KIDDING. But I do want to let my name be known and let you all know that criticism is a good thing. Hate is bad. Growing up in a Christian Home has taught me one thing. It's not the color of your skin or the sexual preference that defines the person, it's their heart. Hate, however, free in this country, is also wrong. This goes beyond hate of a character choice or hate of the faire. This is personal relationships. And when someone hates me as a character it hurts, but I can move on, I can grow as a professional. But when you use wordage and hate me as a person, you need to reexamine your life. Because these people, and not pointing to one particular person, these people who hate for their godgiven right to hate have to answer to god when they die. Well folks, I hope that I don't piss off many people on here because I only send love to you all. No matter who said what about who, when I approach you on the street, I will send love your way because that's all I know how to give. Thanks, Jimmy Strunk Oh my God..will this ever end?! Like Richard...I should have hit delete instead of post. Before we all start using the hate word...has anyone seen anyone say that "I hate gays, queers...etc" on here? Did anyone say "I hate the Esteban Flores character"? No...I didn't think so. I disapproved of the character lifestyle, nothing more. That was my criticism...that's it...done...I am getting ticked off again....
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Post by Lady Catharine on Jul 6, 2005 19:13:47 GMT -5
BK, Calm down,learn to become thick skinned.. That comes with 'maturity' Let it roll off your back... Talk to me about that when you are in your 40' and 50's... Just let it go.. Kapeesh? PS..That's not a dig of being immature,its wisdom.. You'll learn it...
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Post by yodaturk on Jul 6, 2005 19:22:51 GMT -5
Did the King ever tell you about Dippy?.......
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