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Post by Tsura on Jul 3, 2005 0:47:06 GMT -5
I could say a lot of things right now but I'll start by saying I had a pretty fun day. Opening was light but I'm sure most if not all of you expected that. I saw old faces and quite a few new ones. I got to dance with children and roll in the dirt, which tastes just as salty as it has in the past years...in case you're interested.
So some of you are disappointed. I'm sorry some of the changes were poor. I miss each and every one of the officers that left. They were and still are my role models in many ways. I'm glad that they have such a faithful following of friends that will stand by them.
I miss many of the booths I use to frequent and some of the familiar sights. I miss some of the shows.
However I feel like you're misplacing your anger.
Most of the cast has little idea what has occured and they also have little to do with it. Some of the messages recently posted are nothing but a grumbling blow aimed towards one or a select few yet are posionous to many. I realize this is a message board where all are free to speak their part but I am hoping that you also keep in mind who else might be reading. Namely those who have volunteered many hours to learn and improve skills just to try and make you smile.
No beshaldes at maypole? Queer pirate? Faire has lost it's soul? Maybe if you gave these things a chance instead of condeming them for who they aren't, perhaps it would be slightly more enjoyable. I was pretty offended with queer pirate honestly. Probably because he's a friend of mine but none-the-less...What's wrong with it? Other faires have them, the crowd seems to like him and in talking to him he's really enjoying it too. He's not Vinny or Wretch...but why would you want another of either of them? Why not have something different?
I'm not asking anybody for praise and I'm not saying that it's all flowers and sunshine. But as in most situations, it's what you make of it...and there are some good things.
I just felt it needed to be said. Thanks everyone.
~Kim Queisser "Tsura"
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Post by yodaturk on Jul 3, 2005 22:25:35 GMT -5
Being raised on a farm I learned a rather impressive lesson once........ My father asked me to help him one day in the barn. Raised to obey and not question ("honor thy father and mother" was not a suggestion from God nor was it part of the statement "when you think they are correct") I got my shoes on and met him at the lower level of the barn where we milked the holsteens. Lying on the ground was one of our herd. Looking closer I noticed she was lying on her side with her head on the ground as well. Living cattle do not sleep or lie down completely. This one was no exception. We removed her to the back field where we placed expired animals to be burned. (this avoids disease, etc) We then returned to our work and forgot about finishing our task for about two weeks. Remembering, my dad told me to go out, prepare the carcass and burn it. "Yes sir", I said as I started toward the task. "And don't play around, just do it and get back here" he said over his shoulder. I treked out, got the body ready for cremation, and just before lighting it thought I would whack it with a stick ala the great escimadors combating the bull in the ring with but a peice of cloth and a sword. After all, this one was not likely to jump up and run me down, surely! After my fourth strike I turned to the immaginary crowd (which cheered and chanted my name repeatedly) And saluted graciously with an impressive and graceful bow. It was about that time the bees decided to repel the nusance abusing their new nest..........
My dad, who heard the great escimador sqealing like a four old girl at christmas as he galantly ran down the hill to the house shook his head, held up his hand to stop my first words and asked why I returned without the tractor. You see the old International was a loud, deep sounding machine and he could hear it still idling away some 200 yards away over the hill. Realizing that he knew I somehow had done what I should not have done (ie playing around) I told him I was attacked by a bizillion bees just as I was about to light the fire.
A slight smile escaped him then (probably at my discomfort) and he replied with a nod, " She was a good cow. Had many young and supplied good milk. We kept a couple of her daughters you know. We milk them and are keeping some of their young as well. But let this be a lesson to you boy," he continued as he handed me the shovel he was using to dig a hole for a fence post and started up the hill, " Life has been good and will continue to be so as long as you stop beating the dead cow"..............
If you expect less that is exactly what you get. If you expect good then something new and exciting will happen. I learned from, remember well, and appreciate the past. Then I let it go....
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Post by penny on Jul 4, 2005 12:08:15 GMT -5
Thanks for that Kim It's good to know our leaders are lookin out for us. I do miss the people we have lost, especially since they were there my first year and I have a special affection for all those who were there for my initiation, hehe. But the officers we have now are all wonderful leaders and worthy of emulation. We have a tight crew that will only get better with time. Love you guys
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Post by QueenGwen on Jul 5, 2005 9:41:05 GMT -5
I am not on cast this year, but have been several years in the past. I have been acting in theater since I was 10 years old. I have performed professionally in stage shows, summer theater, commercials AND short films. I have been an Artistic Director for several different types of theater in last 10 years. Let me say there is usually more Drama in theater OFF the stage then on. That's one thing in theater(and it's usually the only thing) that you can COUNT on. I want to comment on the statement that was made about the "Queer Pirate"..... In my opinion (and I feel like I have the RIGHT to this opinion with over 25 years of experience in this field) The character is GREAT. The actor playing the part EVEN BETTER. It's funny as ....well, you know what, and he pulls it off wonderfully. I laughed my butt off at him in the Chess Match....good stuff. It's new, different and really GOOD. In Pirates of the....well, you all know what I'm talking about.... Jack Sparrow couldn't have been more feminine, and it was FUNNY....everybody loved it. This is the same type of character, but this actor CHOSE not to copy some one else's work and do something original....which is not easy to do....KUDOS to you!!!! I'd hire you for a paying gig ANY day of the week. AGAIN I STATE...this is just my opinion, and with all that said....Joe...I luv ya, and you have the right to you're opinion's as well. I'm not attacking you in ANY way(as might have been suggested by another post, but hopefully she was not talking about my statement in particular)...just stating my views on the "Pirate" character(not a real person) in question....that's all.
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Post by Capt. Morgan on Jul 5, 2005 9:54:38 GMT -5
Come on, folks...Johnny Depp has more eye make-up on as Capt. Jack Sparrow than I wear, and that walk??? I think the "enlightened" Pirate is wonderful!
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Post by Sir Trevor on Jul 5, 2005 11:24:56 GMT -5
An observation. From what I saw this weekend, the general public enjoy the character as well. Every performance I saw, right after one of his lines, you could hear the giggles, chuckles, and laughter throughout the audience.
That said. Not everyone likes the same thing. If we did, what a boring world this would be.
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Post by Tsura on Jul 5, 2005 14:42:50 GMT -5
Thanks for your comments everyone. Penfold said everything I was feeling but couldn't quite put into words. Likewise, I didn't mean to offend or chase anyone off the board. It's just very distressing to have a good weekend at faire, see so many people (cast and guests) have a wonderful time, then come home and find what I did.
BK- You're right. I don't know you that well. Last year was the first year I talked to you and your friends but you all seem like wonderful people. I just felt like the cast and the faire wasn't given a fair judgement and like you, this place and its people means a lot to me. How could I not defend it? I hope we can talk.
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Post by Lady Catharine on Jul 5, 2005 15:11:37 GMT -5
Kim,changes are very good for the soul. Past officers served THEIR purpose and now tis time for new blood and ideas. Everyone, the current officers are awesome, I know they were UFTA when I was UFTA 02-03.. To see the same faces at time's become stale. I'll probably catch hell for this, but so what. AS the weekends commence, you will have more patron's and the cast will evolve. Prithee, dont be hard on them. It's very time consuming on the weekends, and months prior to faire starting. Greg, Bob, Heather and Kim and other's whom I failed to mentioned. I love you guys and sincerly I would love to continue to be a part of UFTA.... Ok, start giving me hell... LC>
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Post by SwordSchoolGroupie on Jul 5, 2005 15:50:11 GMT -5
I think Earl is so great as a non-bad guy. I mean he's a pirate but even with the murder of his little brother he is all about the partying and the grog.... i liked that. and his smiles... keep up the good work earl. oh and ... MONGOLIA!! Sorry had to do it. it's cuz we love you.
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Post by Illyanna Adamczyk on Jul 5, 2005 18:40:14 GMT -5
Hello! I usually don't do message boards...they are usually just havens for unsupported gossip...but there was a comment made that actually made me want to post. It was from Lady Catherine when she said that the old officers served their purpose and it was time to move on. First off, I am one of those officers and I would thank you to not treat me like garbage (talk about individual attacking!). Second, we did not "move on," but were not asked back. I didn't even get a phone call asking if I was coming back, no explanation, no nothing. Just a total write off. It wasn't my choice, no one asked my opinion. I saw Brooke and Larry at the Unionville sale and asked why I wasn't called, in fact, I was going to offer to be the costumer this year (and not to toot my own horn, but I know a thing or 2 about costuming). I was given much arse kissing and answers that beat around the bush. The look on Brooke's face said it all though..."I let something slip out of my grasp." I would hope that I wasn't "past my prime" when it comes to the faire. And I agree, that the introduction of new blood is important to keeping things going, but that blood also needs some experience to help them find the ropes. So what was my crime? Was I really that crappy of a cast member that, even in a year desperate for cast, I wasn't even given a courtesy call? Even if I was so pissed at the faire that I didn't want to come back, a call would have been appreciated...and professional. So, I'm completely clueless when it comes as to why I am no longer an officer. Guess I'll never know. But, Lady Catherine, you have been far removed from ANY innner faire politics, and I would appreciate it if you wouldn't make such broad assumptions. And by the way, NOT ONE single person has said anything bad directly about any cast member, just the faire in general and perhaps about some character choices. Please read these posts, not into them. Everyone is entitled to an opinion, whether or not you agree with it. Jenn Seaber....deposed without a clue...
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Post by Sir Trevor on Jul 5, 2005 18:55:19 GMT -5
And by the way, NOT ONE single person has said anything bad directly about any cast member, just the faire in general and perhaps about some character choices. Please read these posts, not into them. Everyone is entitled to an opinion, whether or not you agree with it. To be fair. What prompted this thread were remarks by another individual in another thread. Those post have since been deleted by the person who posted them. So, it isn't so much people reading things into the posts. It is more people responding to remarks that are no longer available for others to read.
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Post by Illyanna Adamczyk on Jul 5, 2005 19:21:54 GMT -5
And the damage has been done. And if the post was removed, then why are people still attacking the person who wrote it...to be fair...
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Post by Penfold on Jul 5, 2005 19:31:32 GMT -5
As far as I can see, and I only gave things a quick glance over - all posts that responded to the removed posts came at the time before their removal. The only difference is that without the removed posts for reference, that's hard to see.
I have personally posted explaining myself and that my anger was not summoned into these boards by on person, but by many things. I also expressed my wishes to have a chat with the person who removed their posts in order to iron things out between us as I believe our strong emotions towards faire are what caused us to smash our heads together like two exploding melons. Kim has done so as well.
Hopefully at least the two of us can have the chance to talk with Joe and through a face to face conversation rather than a text based one, set things right. Right at least, between us. I still stand by his ability to voice his opinion and say what he wishes, it's his right. At the same time, that means he must stand by ours and sometimes, as in this case, wording without known intention of said wording can really throw a wrench in things.
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Post by Illyanna Adamczyk on Jul 5, 2005 19:38:23 GMT -5
I know for a fact that it was the "character" he didn't care for. And, agreed, he couldv'e worded his distaste better. All I say is, what happened to everyone's opinion is valuable? And I thought this site avoided personal attacks. 2 wrongs don't make a right...
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Post by Penfold on Jul 5, 2005 19:46:10 GMT -5
Alright, I'm not sure how I could have better said it.
I specifically stated in my post that I was trying to not offend anyone. I specifically tried to not quote anyone or even point a finger at a poster, faire goer, or otherwise.
And, I specifically put in the following quote: "I may not agree with what you have to say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it."
So in this case I didn't agree with what someone said. I also was very offended. I believe, due to various things that I've been told, when I talk to him Saturday, all will be sorted out because we can speak face to face and settle things.
At the same time. I have NO PROBLEM that he voices his opinion. That is a good thing, whether I like it or not, he has that right. However, that means I ALSO have that right. So my remarks back should have been given the same curtesy his were.
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