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Post by johnm on Jul 2, 2010 21:53:23 GMT -5
Lady Catharine, I agree with everything you said. However, I did not say the trustees were "entitled" to the money. They most certainly DO NOT deserve it. But, if paying them off means keeping the faire alive and Larry can still make a profit without the beer money, I think it is an option that should be considered. Even if it leaves a bad taste in ones mouth. Life is quite often unfair. Especially in matters of money. If paying them off would get them to leave us alone, I might think about it if I were in Larrys position. In my opinion, I think he should consider moving to a nearby township that would appreciate what he brings to the community.
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Post by BlackKnight on Jul 2, 2010 22:11:10 GMT -5
I don't think you quite understand Larry.
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Post by johnm on Jul 2, 2010 22:53:45 GMT -5
You're right BlackKnight. I don't know the man. I really don't know most of the people on this board unfortunately. Hopefully all this will work out for the best and I will get the chance to meet and get to know more of them.
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Post by Sir Michael of Mentor on Jul 2, 2010 23:20:07 GMT -5
Hi Hank, I will try to answer your question from my professional point of view of being in the US army for 14 yrs and working in Law Enforcement for the past 10 years...before I continue, I want to say I feel the trustee's are way out of line and could possibly be abusing their authority. The people elect the trustee's, so it's the trustee's job to represent the voters. If the trustee's get out of touch with the voters, then the votes have the final say by voting them out of office. My Police Chief, does not make the laws...the City I work for does. As a poice officer, I enforce the laws. When I was in the Army, my commanding Generals did not make the policy decisions, the President as COmmander in Chief made the decisions, we only executed his decisions. Here the trustee's make their decisions for the community. Since the trustee's feel something was not right about the donations, they filed the injunction to protect the people. However, in this situation, I feel the trustee's are being abusive and using this injunction to directly take a shot at Larry which is wrong. With the guy from Shermin Williams being a legal professional, he is using everything he can find to go just up to the line without crossing over it. I do believe in time, he will make a mistake and he will have to answer for it. So I hope that sorta answers your question. I DO NOT believe the trustee's are representing their voters in the best interest and in fact are waging a personal war on Larry. I only hope our legal system will in the end find in Larry's favor. Larry has done no wrong and should not be harassed like this. While I'm on the soap box, let me remind us all... do not play into the trustee's hands. Be polite, watch your drinking. If the sheriff's do show up, the Ohio Revised Code is on our side. It's private property, so having an open container in the parking lot is not against the law. Operating a motor vehicle if your BAC is over .08 is. SO, be safe and don't drive if you drink alot at your car. We did hurt the trustee's last year with the press. They would love to get us all acting wild or drunk. Which by the way I have never seen in my 8 years attending. So my advise is have fun, but be cautious with your drinking. See you all on opening weekend... Sir Michael
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Post by Lionheart on Jul 2, 2010 23:35:16 GMT -5
By Decree of King Richard Lionheart, All those attending Faire.... Eat Drink And Be Merry (responsibly) Just as In years past.....
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Post by Puck on Jul 2, 2010 23:57:02 GMT -5
Nice.
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Post by Lady Catharine on Jul 3, 2010 12:56:48 GMT -5
Lionheart. good point Your Majesty..**bows before thee**** Hi johnm tis I again. You and I could debate this till the cows come home.. If you believe for 1 min, that paying them off, will stop, I don't. I'm a visionary,,this will only escalate 'their' process.. they are GREEDY..'He' will stop @ nothing. . now, leaving to bake lemon squares.
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Post by Sir Trevor on Jul 3, 2010 14:22:44 GMT -5
However, I did not say the trustees were "entitled" to the money. They most certainly DO NOT deserve it. But, if paying them off means keeping the faire alive and Larry can still make a profit without the beer money, I think it is an option that should be considered. Even if it leaves a bad taste in ones mouth. Yeah. You don't know Larry. He would burn the faire to the ground and salt the earth it sat upon before he ever willingly gave them 1 cent. While Larry is a good businessman (wouldn't be in his current position if he wasn't). And your idea might even make good business sense. It will never happen. This fight with the trustees is personal. He has fought with them too long, and too hard to ever give in to them. Which is why I doubt he would relocate the faire either. He is going to have his faire on his property regardless of what the truestees throw at him.
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Post by johnm on Jul 3, 2010 15:00:48 GMT -5
My apologies. Obviously I don't know enough about what is actually going on to be joining this discussion. My intention was not to rile anyone and if I have said something out of line I am truly sorry. I know Larry only by his deeds which are great and many. Not to get off topic, but I ran into a GLMF regular at the Kentucky Faire who politely informed me that I dont seem like the most approachable person. That is not the case. I'm just kinda quiet til I get to know you. If any of you can figure out who I am and feel like chatting please introduce yourself. I would love to be able to put faces to names this year. I will most likely be in the vicinity of the Higgins' I'll do my best to remember names.
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Post by Puck on Jul 3, 2010 16:24:21 GMT -5
Hey don't worry about it. The more time you spend at faire, the more comfortable you'll become. I will be out playing with the cast for the most part, but Higgins knows who I am (though whether he remembers my REAL name is a different case), so feel free to say hey. Even though I've probably seen you before, y'know.
Oh yeah, dry faire... and stuff. Yeah, just I dunno, deal for this year, I guess? Oh well, we'll live.
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Post by Confused on Jul 3, 2010 18:36:12 GMT -5
I noted that Lady Catherine's post said "I feel the announcement should be made public, and not talking about the board. Run it by the media, divulge what prompted Larry's decision- based on the power abusing thugs.." Does the mean the trustees were not able to ban alcohol? Does that mean it was Larry's decision, and alcohol COULD be served?
Some rules and boundaries need to be set. No one knows if you can carry a fifth of booze in or a cooler of beer. Is someone going to explain the rules? Even if there is this supposed gag order you can still make/explain rules based on what can and cannot be done. And, if rumors are going around that the trustees banned alcohol somehow and this is not true, can't that get you into trouble for defamation of character?
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Post by Lady Catharine on Jul 3, 2010 19:50:25 GMT -5
Confused, are you taking sides?
Let me explain.
1) This has been festering for years, in /out of the legal loops..
2) I worked for a vendor last year, the courts had the deputy's go to each vendor asking for their transient vendors license. This is a form of harassment-they are intimidating the vendors, not to return.
3) They are ABUSING the powers that they have.
4) I'm not advocating walking with a 5th, personally, I don't drink, it does not affect me, I'm in the very small minority. The faire is not about me, season patron's party, spend @ the pubs.
5) The media was invited to a township meeting last Aug, over 200 were in attendance.
6) How much more can 1 person go thru?-- I will respect the individual who passed something along to me.
7) Until that is brought forth-- I will rest my case...
Fare Thee Well:)
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Post by Sir Trevor on Jul 3, 2010 22:23:09 GMT -5
My apologies. Obviously I don't know enough about what is actually going on to be joining this discussion. My intention was not to rile anyone and if I have said something out of line I am truly sorry. I know Larry only by his deeds which are great and many. No apologies necissary. You did nothing wrong. You gave your opinion, which is what this board is for. I just tried to supply a little context to explain why that idea probably won't be acted upon. Don't ever be afraid to express your opinions, regardless of how much knowledge or experience you may or may not have. Different opinions and viewpoints are vital to any meaningful discussion. As to Larry, while I have met him, and talked with him on several occasions, I will not profess to know him well. My statement was just my interpretation of what I know. The impressions I have gotten from both my own conversations with Larry and what I have heard 2nd and 3rd hand. But I am not a mind reader. Nor have even spoken with him since sometime last season. So I don't really know what is really going on any more than most of the other people on this board.
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Post by Confused on Jul 4, 2010 12:36:49 GMT -5
Lady Catherine, you misunderstand me. What I am asking is, are the rumors I heard is that the trustees banned the sale of alcohol not true. If this is not true and an injunction was NOT made to ban the sale, I certainly do not wish to be spreading a rumor that COULD HURT THE FAIRE WORSE in the end, imagine if the trustees found out this rumor was spread, even more problems. I am being realistic in trying to protect against any more trustee issues. That's all, of course I feel the faire has had nothing but abuse from these individuals....I just don't want to say something that could potentially make matters worse. It has nothing do with sides, but rather trying to protect the faire from any further crap from the trustees, that is all.
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Post by blueguy on Jul 4, 2010 14:07:27 GMT -5
So, we really can't have a single thread about a single new wrinkle in the upcomming season that may or may not be related to everything else without PILING blame and accusations on everything that has come before it.
Behaving like zealots on a publicly accessible forum and tossing out insults at people in a position to make life even more miserable is just fanning flames we don't need.
Now lets see if I have anything that might help clear a line of questions that actually need an answer.
1- What was the exact wording of this announcement and who exactly announced it.
I've read posts stating the FEAST is dry and the FAIRE is dry. these are two seperate things. If it's just the feast, you have all been wailing over something that is actually business as usual. If it's the faire, then this is something we need some clarification on.
The only actual announcement listed is not on the official site but on somebody's facebook? Is this accurate? Does this individual (a name, I will admit I don't know) have the position for making said announcements. I honestly don't pay much attention to the names of the staff and know most of you by face.
2- Is there an official policy in place for what will or will not be allowed in terms of bringing in your own beverage?
We all know folks that have always had a flask or two of the "good stuff" but there is a difference between a couple of ounces and a cooler. The faire would have issues with a picnic basket as it removes their exclusive control of the food venue. If there were a beer license, it would actually be illegal to allow carry in drinks. But without a license things potentially open up. The faire NEEDS to post an official announcement on handling this.
3- How is security being changed to police all this?
It's going to cause more troubles to enforce certain issues related to consumption when the faire cannot control sales. I don't even want to think about people leaving with open containers at the end of the day.
You figure out those 3 factors and we can go from there. I could almost give a damn about who is behind what, but we have 5 days before we deal with the consequences. That should be the issue at hand. The regulars on this site form a backbone to the regular attendee community. We are the people that need to press those in charge of the faire to make sure things are in place from day one to keep our summer home a happy place to visit.
We also need to make sure that we are helping the cast to entertain where we can and encourage the casual visitors that are the real profit earners for this venue to not only stay the full day but return.
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