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Post by alaric667 on Aug 6, 2009 13:14:09 GMT -5
"CAST MEMBERS AND EMPLOYEES, STOP CUSSING WHEN YOU ARE IN PUBLIC IN COSTUME"
While I agree that cast and employees if in costume in a public place need to behave themselves as it does reflect poorly on the faire. It is also just as likely that costumed patrons might be the cause. Profesional entertainers change clothes before going out so I do not think it would be any of us. So lets not jump to conclusions. I do know that Scott, sarah and I plan on addressing this issue at our morning meeting.
Larry Rabin GLMF Fight Director King Arthur
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Post by Capt. Morgan on Aug 6, 2009 13:56:33 GMT -5
Hmmm...I think the comment indicates that non-garbed patrons view anyone in garb as a performer and that "in public" would be any where on the Faire Site, not say at your local Pizza Hut...but still I think you are correct...it is most likely the "playtrons" who come to the Faire (in garb and perceived as performers by the non-garbed patrons) that are using "upsetting" language in public areas and I shall remind many of us who tend to gather at the pubs to be mindful as such. It may BE a pub, but children still wander about freely (with their parents) and tho' this is hardly "squeaky clean" Disney, there is still the need to be courteous to those around...especially if visitors are trying to listen to a performing act near one of the pubs. We can all work together...
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Post by BeerBlessings on Aug 6, 2009 14:58:57 GMT -5
No, this does indeed refer to places *outside* of the Faire. Restaurants, gas stations, etc... These are people that don't come to Faire, and are getting the "people in funny clothes" acting inappropriately.
It doesn't matter if you'd act this way normally or not. Outside of Faire, garb is unusual and attracts attention be it positive or negative. So whatever behavior you put forth gets noticed even more... When you act well, it's good... However....
If there's one playtron stopping for gas after Faire cussing about the Trustees, the people at the next pump think "What the heck?! Are those Faire people really so much nastier than everyone else?! And WHAT did they just say with my kids right there?!?!?!"
Bars are one thing. It's an adult atmosphere and everyone can get away with that. In said adult atmosphere, it may even be funnier.. However, outside of that "sphere", we all need to mind our p's and q's, workers, cast, vendors, AND PLAYTRONS... Especially playtrons, because we are all soooo used to getting away with all the stuff the cast doesn't.
Heh.. Maybe we should start a thread in General for "Basic Garbed Etiquette" and see if we can get a Sticky so we can always find it...
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Post by Capt. Morgan on Aug 6, 2009 15:44:39 GMT -5
Thanks for the clarification, BB...I just know that "Perception is reality" does exist as well and if a group of garbed playtrons are being loud and boisterous at one of the pubs IN the Faire they could be perceived as "cast" by non-garbed visitors and hence an assumption made.
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Post by Marzeke on Aug 6, 2009 15:45:50 GMT -5
This is getting ridiculous. Now we are even censoring ourselves? Political correctness run amok.
I know its not polite to cuss or swear but sometimes it just happens and whether I am wearing garb or not, I am not going to watch my vocabulary because some zealot thinks I'm crude.
Trust me, if I actually wrote what I was thinking right now, these fanatics would run screaming.
I am a fairly patient and understanding person who tries to focus on good things but I am really getting tired of people telling me how to think and act.
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Post by BeerBlessings on Aug 6, 2009 16:30:12 GMT -5
Compare it to the clown at a 10 year old's birthday party showing up drunk and swearing worse than a trucker. Not appropriate in that setting, although playing to a group of college kids would be perfectly acceptable and well accepted.
It's not about censorship. It's simply about watching your mouth around the kiddies.
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Post by Marzeke on Aug 6, 2009 16:56:25 GMT -5
I am not arguing with you. It is always better to be polite and courteous.
I look at this like having a neighbor that complains every time you have company over your house, every time your dog barks, every time you work on your car, etc...
I doubt very much that this has anything to do with the little kiddies (and I have my own) as much as it does with the curmudgeons that don't like us.
Disclaimer: This is only MY opinion and not the opinion of the discussion board or the owners of the faire. Neither are responsible for my opinion of these self-righteous ne'er-do-wells.
I apologize for going off topic. I will not post more like this here.
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Post by BeerBlessings on Aug 6, 2009 17:46:42 GMT -5
Marzeke, I happened to be in the office the other day and heard of a complaint from a place outside of Faire where people in garb used foul language around kids. And I am about 95% sure that is what precipitated the comment to watch language.
So yeah, it is about swearing around the kiddies, but it also goes for things in general.
It may or may not be known if that incident involved cast, vendor, or playtron... But it is irrelevant.... The kiddies *always* notice the people in funny clothes, even if we do not notice them.
I am just as guilty. I go to Irish fests as the Beer Priest, and people love it. BUT, when I'm with my friends, I don't realize the people outside of that 3-foot radius.. Yet *everyone* around notices me... I make sure to pay extra attention during the day and try not get into much of the grown-up humor until later in the evening when most of the kiddies have gone home...
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Post by BeerBlessings on Aug 6, 2009 17:51:35 GMT -5
Oh, and this discussion does apply to the upcoming meeting. General discussion on etiquette and appearances, both intentional and unintentional, is VERY pertinent to how we portray ourselves...
ESPECIALLY when media is around. And we DO expect it at the Trustee meeting. So the more discussion we have, the better everyone understands why we put forth a good face when the TV cameras are on us...
Media sells airtime, and they go with the most sensational story out there. We do not want the "people in funny clothes" to be the sensational story, but rather the actions of the Trustees abusing power and wasting tax dollars in attacking a money-maker for Ashtabula County and the state of Ohio.
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Post by Marzeke on Aug 6, 2009 18:46:03 GMT -5
OK, I see you are missing my point.
You have as much right to tell someone how to act as the trustee has.
I don't even dispute your points of etiquette so save the lecture for someone who doesn't get it.
We are on the same side of the argument here but don't be so presumptuous as to tell me how to act. I will exercise my right to free speech when and where I see fit. I will break no laws and I will suffer no abuses.
To thine own self be true.
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Post by BeerBlessings on Aug 6, 2009 23:30:39 GMT -5
OK, I see you are missing my point. You have as much right to tell someone how to act as the trustee has. I don't even dispute your points of etiquette so save the lecture for someone who doesn't get it. We are on the same side of the argument here but don't be so presumptuous as to tell me how to act. I will exercise my right to free speech when and where I see fit. I will break no laws and I will suffer no abuses. To thine own self be true. You had previously said that you doubt that it had to with the kiddies, and I was explaining that that incident really did.. That was the extent that anything was directed to you specifically. Everything else is directed to the Boards in general, so if you took it as a personal affront, I apologize. I highly doubt that the person(s) involved with the cussing actually intended to make someone complain to the Faire. If one person wasn't aware, that means there are more that aren't. Now, that aside.. The discussion at large is actually quite necessary. We have a lot of teenagers and early 20-somethings here, and I will gladly bet that less than 10% of them have ever been to a town meeting. ... (Now, to everyone..) In the Trustee Meeting, the trustees do indeed have the right to tell you how to act, since they are running the meeting. In a meeting, you do have a right to free speech, but the when and where (and how) is dictated by the agenda and the rules used to run the meeting. (Normally Robert's Rules of Order) Not following those rules will get you silenced and possibly thrown out of the meeting, leaving your free speech sitting in a puddle in the parking lot. Be VERY wary that the Trustees HOPE you get emotional so they can have you removed. I am not joking about this one bit. Even simple things like rolling your eyes can be seen by the person running the meeting as dismissive and combative. They will be looking for any reason at all to kick us all out, and we do not want to give them *ANYTHING*... If they say or do something that pisses us off, half of us yelling "WHAT?!?!" will cause them to shut down the meeting. The last thing we want is them saying "Those 'Weird People' were so unruly we had to stop the meeting right then and there!!" For the meeting, it's about controlling your actions, especially the RE-actions. ... Both verbal and non-verbal. Crossing your arms, shrugging your shoulders, throwing your hands up, shaking your head, rolling of eyes.. All of these are knee-jerk reactions that can be used against us in this setting. Do not speak during the wrong part of the meeting. Do not speak out of turn. Do not speak unless recognized by the Chair. (Person running the meeting).. Pretty much, if you have to ask "When can I talk?", the answer is probably "Not right now." This cannot be stressed enough. We have one shot at this. I am absolutely sure that this will be the first town meeting for a number of us. If it is presumptuous to inform people of some of these pitfalls, then I will gladly presume away.
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Post by Marzeke on Aug 7, 2009 8:21:19 GMT -5
Important: Yes everyone should be respectful at the trustee meeting (I am not joking here but I cannot promise that I am being serious for the rest of this post because it is directed to BeerBlessings).
LOL You are too funny. I can't even agree with you without you lecturing. I bow to your vast experience. Yes BeerBlessing, you sound like a very knowledgeable example of town hall resistance.
Wear a bow tie Brown patten leather shoes Comb your hair to the left Don't scratch your nose
I now know that you are one of those board posters that just has to have the last word (even if you constantly have to repeat yourself). Please feel free to repeat your "Be nice in public" rules. I am sure there is one young person that hasn't gotten your message yet.
Just for the record, I am neither young nor ignorant about peaceful resistance and I have faith in our young people that if you tell them something once they will understand it. I am also a staunch supporter of our faire (I drink a lot of beer and eat a lot of food) and I do not want anything to happen to make it go away. I have supported our vendors every year. I have enough medieval crap that I could probably buy the new Camaro I want if I had all the money back, but I digress (and besides, my wife wont let me). So please don't assume your love for the faire is any greater than anyone else.
Now feel free to empower your ego by lecturing once again. I am done with this and I will leave you to self importance. You can call me names, types in CAPS, or repeat yourself yet again (Do you really have to repeat yourself on more than one thread? ug very tedious). I'm sure there is someone out there that has not grown from your vast wisdom. Common post your reply, you know you want to... I double dog dare you... I wont reply any more, I promise.
Have a great day! Long live the GLMF!
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Post by Not Marzeke on Aug 7, 2009 9:40:04 GMT -5
Now see young people... BeerBlessing has given a shining example of silent resistance.
He did not fall for Marzeke's baiting (much).
He did not get into the pointless back and forth banter that the trustees and any lawyer will do to get you off your game.
Don't ever presume you are smarter than the person you are bartering with. As soon as you do... you lose. It's like arguing with my wife, every time I think I am winning, I find out I just volunteered for something I didn't want to do.
Have a great day! and Thanks for playing BeerBlessing.
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Post by Dillasandra on Aug 7, 2009 11:54:13 GMT -5
What the hell???!!!? Marzeke, Not Marzeke, what the hell was THAT??! We're trying to do something serious, something important here............... SAVE THE FAIRE..........which, I might add, you claim you WANT to do............and you're up here acting like a couple of bratty children??!!? What??! Are you just bored? Got the jones to hijack a thread? Are you TRYING to derail the topic? Are you trying to sabatage the whole thing??!!! Hey, none of us like being told what to do. I'm personally a little too radical on that point myself, and been known more than once in my time to get myself into trouble over it. But there IS in fact a time and a place, etc., and in this case, we have to play by their rules to win OUR case......worth it, in my book, to achive our end result. Being pigheaded just for the sake of being pigheaded is not only childish, it's counterproductive as well. So, 'gentlemen', what exactlly IS your point in all this. And keep in mind, the trustees are quite probably reading this, and you've justy succeded in helping justify their poor opinion of us. Thank you so much. Are you finished? Can we all get back to acting like responsible adults here, and not 4 year olds? We're trying to save something we all love, and you AREN'T helping! I've got an idea..............if you can't add something constructive, don't bother adding anything at all! BB, and a lot of others are busting their backs to save Faire...........something you don't seem to be trying to do. Do us all a favor, grow up. And if you can't/won't contribute, at least have the decency to stay out of the way!
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Post by Guest on Aug 7, 2009 12:07:59 GMT -5
Fighting with each other is NOT going to help either. I thought this was the place to HONESTLY post and speak your mind. Got some news, lots of people aren't too happy with being told what to do, but by attacking that person you are proving you are no better than the trustees.
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