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Post by Athena on Jun 30, 2010 22:31:02 GMT -5
Yep, I'd like to know the deets myself.
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Post by Hammurabi on Jun 30, 2010 23:34:24 GMT -5
From what I have heard, the trustees filed the injunction because they said the people who were supposed to get the money from the beer sales did not get the money from they were supposed to get. But I am not certain of this. I don't know if the injunction is considered a public file, but if it is, anyone should be able to view the documents concerning the action.
At one time, the Trumbull Township Fire Department ran the pubs, and collected the money to use for the department. When the trustees got upset about the money, they shut down the volunteer fire department, and so the faire found another means of selling the beer, I am supposing they got the permit themselves.
If that's the case, then the money went right where it was supposed to go. But once again, I do not have the details of this information.
What I can tell you is that there are going to be a lot of very unhappy people this summer. I have watched faires go from wet to dry, and most of them died because of it. The only one I know of which survived was the Pennsylvania Renaissance Festival, but after only a few years of being dry, they went and opened a microbrewery on the property and became once again a wet faire. But they had a patronage of about 20k each day when they went dry the first time - and they almost went the way of the dodo.
Not only will Larry be hit by this, because people will not stay at the faire, and thus not spend money on food, but they will not spend money at vendors, they will not tip performers, and they will tell their friends to stay home.
I know that Trevor said keep the political commentary to the trustee threads, but I have one thing to say. It is up to all of us to help reverse this, and only if we take some kind of action will it change.
In the meantime, yes, the county only has 1 patrol car, but if you think for a minute that the Trustees will not send people to photograph patrons drinking from car trunks, or flasks, or botas, and then claim the faire promotes violations of open container laws (because private land or not, the venue is a public event) and use that to further attack Larry. I hate to put a damper on things, but we need to tread carefully. These 3 tyrants are cunning and crafty, and have calculated this move to do the most damage and impact, and they will have thought ahead to the next step.
Don't give them any further reason to find fault with us. If the faire is meant to be dry, then so be it. We can endure this. We have to, because if we don't, then we will have nothing. They have the upper hand right now, so we have to play their game. The only way to change that is to take away their advantage.
That's all I have to say.
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Chelsea (Tink)
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Post by Chelsea (Tink) on Jul 1, 2010 9:04:42 GMT -5
My goal this year is to promote the Faire like crazy. Especially in my area (Niles, Warren, Howland, Youngstown) where people don't really know about it. I have fliers out at my job and around the mall.
Spread the word and tell others too as well, try to get even more people to come out this year.
Word of mouth can be extremely powerful.
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Post by Puck on Jul 1, 2010 14:01:45 GMT -5
I agree with Chelsea. I know my mother has been wearing GLMF shirts as often as she can, and we've had quite a few people around that same area asking us when and where it will be open. In an ideal world, faire wouldn't be all about drinking anyway. I know it's just an added pleasure and what not, and pub sing sort of loses it's punch when it's just "sing", and there will be a lot of angry people who come here JUST for the alcohol (I mean, Geneva is only home to about four hundred wineries and bars, if all you want to do is drink...), but...
That really shouldn't be what it's all about. It's going to put us through some hard times, this might be a pretty hard year. I don't do that whole mushy "let's all band together and save the world stuff", all I'm saying is that we just have to hang in, find other things to do. Go for the people, not the booze. Can't really make the normal patrons see it that way, but everybody else knows what I mean.
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Post by sue on Jul 1, 2010 20:57:18 GMT -5
Do not let this syop a good time! The best thing we can do is promote the fair like crazy make alot of money which the trustees get none of!
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Post by ivywoodwings on Jul 1, 2010 21:20:23 GMT -5
If you are friends with the beautiful and talented Jennifer E. Walker on facebook, she'll message you with information based on this issue. I asked her to share it here and hopefully she will. She is being cautious and as since she's an employee, I understand.
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Post by johnm on Jul 1, 2010 21:30:56 GMT -5
Does anyone with any legal knowledge know what Larry's options are? Can he fight this and possibly win? I agree with what everyone is saying about promoting and not letting it ruin a good time. People most definately make a faire great not booz. I can get a beer anywhere. But, are there enough of us die-hard playtrons, cast and faire junkies etc. to really keep the faire going financially? I can honeslty say that most of the money I spend at faire is on beer and food. I also agree with Hammurabi's realistic viewpoint. I personally don't know of any successful dry faires. The vendors need to sell to make it worth thier while to come and it takes money to keep the stages full of acts and shows. I see a domino effect happening. Believe me, it would kill me to see this faire die or even lose its luster but I can't help but be a realist about this. If this injunction can't be beaten, I don't think there is much we can do. I would almost say, give in to the trustees and give them the money they want if it means keeping the faire alive. Or maybe even close for a season and re-open somewhere else out of harms way.
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Post by Been There Done That on Jul 2, 2010 6:57:44 GMT -5
Thank you, Johnm. There are a lot of us die hards, and we are not enough to keep it open. I apologize in advance to those who are going to be upset with me, but, not having ale/mead WILL make a difference. It WILL affect patronage. It WILL affect the length of time that people stay, and face it kids, booze CAN help untighten purse strings for purchases, tipping to performer's, etc. Again, I beseech all of you to try to understand why this is such a big issue. Look at your purchases over the years......look at what you buy at the faire, or, DO you buy at the faire or online or EBAY, or elsewhere? There are problems, attendance will be okay, not great, but okay, however, vendors and performers are those that will suffer from people not staying. Folks, i'm all for keeping it open and fighting, I LOVE my faire, I live for the times to go there, but I am also being realistic in my views. C'mon, even little local area events such as the county fairs, and even rock creek's ox roast have beer. Spread the word, get people out here, but you also need to tip performers well and spend to the vendors to help them as well.
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Post by BlackKnight on Jul 2, 2010 7:08:56 GMT -5
I was talking to my boss at work about this and he mentioned that you should still be able to have the local Lions club come on-site and charge for beer....for charity. AFAIK...it wouldn't require Larry to have liquor license.
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Post by bunbun / Hank on Jul 2, 2010 7:46:44 GMT -5
I would like to comment on Hammurabi's statement in reply #16 about the trustees filing an injunction that the people who were suppose to get the money from the beer sales did not get the money they were suppose to get and the trustees are pissed off about that.
My question is, is that even legal? That would be like me suing Hammurabi's employer because HE did not get a pay raise due him. What the hell business of mine is it? If he has no complaint about not get the raise, why should I care? The charities seem to be happy with the money they got, so why legally speaking should the trustees even be sticking their nose in this business?
Does anyone have enough legal knowledge on the subject to answer this question?
HANK.
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Post by guest on Jul 2, 2010 8:21:26 GMT -5
Would Larry or Cindy please chime in here and let us know what is going on?
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Post by Capt. Morgan on Jul 2, 2010 9:28:33 GMT -5
My question is, is that even legal? That would be like me suing Hammurabi's employer because HE did not get a pay raise due him. What the hell business of mine is it? If he has no complaint about not get the raise, why should I care? The charities seem to be happy with the money they got, so why legally speaking should the trustees even be sticking their nose in this business?HANK. Oh come now, Hank...you know what a humanitarian Clay is...he's just sooo concerned about everyone else and making sure things are on the "up and up" *cough*...Of course, he did disband the Volunteer Fire Department which...I'm guessing would only put the people in his lil' burg in MORE danger if said fire should break out...but that's neither here nor there... (If anyone doesn't read the above with a sarcastic tone then...you guys don't know me too well! ;D ) |
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Post by Lady Catharine on Jul 2, 2010 11:35:29 GMT -5
johnm , forgive me but I must disagree with you-Why are the trustee's entitled to Larry's money?
They've not earned ANY part of it~
This is private property- the trustee's are nothing more then a greedy bunch of goons~The residents that voted these bozo's back in simply because its better to know the devil you do, then the one you don't analogy.
Trustees blow all the money on lawsuits and let the roads go unfilled..
They all need to be dumped out ...
My friend at work hit the power ball,(example), I did not PLAY but but but...want part of the jackpot.
Same story with the trustees.
I feel Larry should consider moving the Faire- take down the permanent buildings, away from the miscreants.
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Post by Capt. Morgan on Jul 2, 2010 13:11:53 GMT -5
Ya know...I'd be all for taking the umpty weekends that people put in getting the site ready PLUS the 6 weekends the Faire runs and totally moving it to a location where the Faire would be welcomed. I have power tools, I can hit a nail with a hammer, I can paint...heck, I can do drywall and landscaping...and I'm sure there are plenty of people with pick-up trucks, tractors, flat beds, etc... Just keep in mind...There comes a time when you have to weigh the good against the not so good, cut your losses, pull up your pants and move on...Not saying we've hit that point yet...but there are plenty of people who would work hard and long to see the Faire, their Faire, some place where it is appreciated and some place where the folks who put the Faire on are appreciated...Until that point, we will always support our Faire, the Vendors and the Performers...heck, with no ale, I'll have more money to tip and buy stuff!  |
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Post by Capt. Morgan on Jul 2, 2010 13:16:39 GMT -5
If it is indeed so, then they need to remove the following statement from their FAQs page ASAP! "Are alcoholic beverages sold at the Faire? Yes, beer and ale are sold at the pubs, with appropriate identification. Alcoholic drinks cannot be removed from the Fairegrounds." Just bumping this very poignant observation from Nyneve...it's still on the FAQ page on the GLMF Site |
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