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Post by raini on Aug 4, 2009 13:49:16 GMT -5
Kelly,
Excellent research information regarding citation and fees
thank you, carla
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Post by blueguy on Aug 4, 2009 17:13:46 GMT -5
Little note for those of you not from Trumbull itself... Those restaurants mentioned above are not actually in Trumbull township.
And I hate this but it's worth mentioning. Any vendor that ends up fined on the morning of the 13th is probably in violation of one of those codes listed in the "reasons to deny".
Let's remember something important here folks. It is important to unify our messages. We are stronger and more of a problem to these trustees if ALL of us are repeating the same basic line.
The trustees won't care much about what anybody that does not vote in the township says. We don't have the power to oust them directly and Trumbull does not have enough merchant tax base to boycott. But we can stand behind out people who DO live in town.
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Post by Sir Trevor on Aug 4, 2009 17:56:29 GMT -5
And we can give the county commissioners enough of an ear full that they make sure the county prosecutor checks to see how legal this stuff actually is before he wastes county funds persuing their vendetta for them. And regardless of how insulated the township is, they can still be pressured from above by people like the commissioners. They are the ones after all who decide where county money is spent when it comes time for county projects in the various townships.
Regardless. If most people in the township don't want a bunch of attention, then the best thing to do is to keep this fiasco in the public spotlight. Keep the news vans running around town, and keep the newspapers publishing stories about it, and keep other politicians talking about it. Maybe the residents will decide that these people are not worth the head-ache and vote someone else in.
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Post by Kelly Beard on Aug 4, 2009 19:17:42 GMT -5
It is hard to see why any of the vendors would be fined for anything when 1. the citation is written up with a bogus ordinance # and 2. the code that the Trumbull Trustee's has revised 505.94 is the one that is specifically governed by the Ohio House Bill #657, that I sent a link for, which as I mentioned before tells them that Private property is excluded and furthermore their own license fees are far more than the code allows for.
I really don't see how the vendors can be fined for anything when the citations themselves are unlawful to begin with. Now, that isn't accounting for the judge and if he or she is on the up and up.
I understand that the restaurants etc. may not all be in Trumbull. Another point may be then that the residents, all approximately 800 of them, need to consider the taxes that Larry and GLMF brings in, if this Trustee Chairman has his way and somehow successfully ruins the faire, all those residents better start saving their pennies as their tax rates will inevitably increase.
But, I digress, I really wanted to only post the legal facts. I guess if people want to be swayed and led by corrupt leaders, they deserve the fate they get. I only hope that Larry and GLMF gets a fair day in court and everyone who cares about this event supports it in anyway they can.
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Post by Lady Catharine on Aug 4, 2009 19:29:35 GMT -5
Trev, once again this morning in an attempt to reach CH 19-Carl Monday and Fox 8 News, Bill Sheilds.. I want the media at that township meeting.. Let the coverage begin. Little did the trustees' know what can of worms THEY opened. Trev you are correct focus the spotlight on those bozo's and expose them for what they are..Pressure all of them make them feel uncomfortable as possible!
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Post by Simon De Montfort on Aug 4, 2009 20:31:27 GMT -5
Tamborinio wrote on Aug 4, 2009 7:39 PM:
" I just don't like the Faire and if someone has the power to stop it, they should. I have a proper view of what is good for people. I would be remiss if I didn't use all my energy to shut it down. The money lost to the county and surrounding towns is irrelevant. It will more than be made up by a type of social purity. Trust me. Don't think for yourself. That will only complicate the issue. Thank you. "
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Post by Kelly Beard on Aug 4, 2009 20:43:05 GMT -5
To Simon,
Where did this statement appear?
Whether or not the residents ralley against him, I think he is obviously abusing his power and should be written up on charges for that alone.
sigh...
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Post by Sir Trevor on Aug 4, 2009 20:47:52 GMT -5
Bob, I doubt that was actually him that posted that text on the NewHerald article. I am sure it was someone else using his name and trying to make a point.
Though it might feel good, I do not believe actions like that are going to help us one bit. It just brings us down to their level, and leaves no moral high ground to stand upon.
Kelly Beard - the township does not get one cent of the sales tax collect from the faire, or from business transacted at the faire. They collect no sales tax at all. The township's entire tax income is derived from property tax. So, that argument will not work with township residents.
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Post by countessofmidnight on Aug 4, 2009 22:45:26 GMT -5
Possibly ---it was Tamborinio making that statement in the "Ohio News Herald" replies to the article on Aug. 3rd's front page...
Or maybe not...
WHO KNOWS ?
The point is I think we all can figure out that some REAL animosity is coming out here from the people who want to shut down the GLMF.
It sickens me.
BUT, we have to calmly fight.
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Post by Olive on Aug 4, 2009 23:34:30 GMT -5
I believe that Tamburrino spells his name this way, not the way it was spelled in that facetious comment on the News Herald site. And Trevor is right about that kind of stuff not helping.
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Post by sue on Aug 5, 2009 14:26:03 GMT -5
I wonder if the trustees have thought about what other businesses are affected by this faire in other seasons. If I hadn't come to the faire that first time I would never have known about the covered bridge tour or Geneva's wineries. Since then I have spent money at both. Lack of money trickles down. Ask anyone out of a job because an auto maker shut down a plant. First it's the plant followed by tire makers and mechanics. Then others in the community start to feel the pinch and restaurants, retail stores, services oriented companies start to close. The faire may not have have the impact that a large company would but the dollars not spent during the summer will hurt people and are they willing to lose their income? We need to get others at the meeting who will lose money if GLMF is no longer there.
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Post by Lady Catharine on Aug 5, 2009 18:37:43 GMT -5
esp the wineries.
it is trickle down affect.
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Post by mistressmelissa on Aug 6, 2009 14:19:10 GMT -5
Yes, we do bring much revenue into the surrounding townships... However, Trumbal township has no businesses for us to frequent. It is exclusively residential. We spend money in Thompson, Madison, Chardon and they are all happy to have us.
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Post by BeerBlessings on Aug 6, 2009 15:08:31 GMT -5
There *is* the Trumbull Meat Locker. They have great smokies!!! ... I know that some of us grab some for snacks both for Faire days, as well as during Clean-Up. ...
And I *think* that this is where the Meat Sticks are obtained for various places at Faire.. Black Ox has them, and I think a few other places.. Pick some up and give em a try! They're rather tasty! (My favorite are the Cajun. Nice and spicy! But I don't know anyone at Faire that carries that type..)
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Post by bunbun / Hank on Aug 6, 2009 15:13:50 GMT -5
And lets not forget the tire store on the corner of 166 and 534. I know for a fact Pirate Dave has bought tires there, and I believe he also had a wheel alignment done there. But yeah, Trumbull meat locker and the tire place are about it for businesses in the township. Other then GLMF of course.
HANK.
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